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3000 sq ft 1890's Victorian in Central NY
Amy & Bill, There is a new (yet old) technology emerging in the energy reduction arena. Very large manufacturing and other big users of electricity have been using power factor correction devices to save on thier power bills for over 30 years. This technology is now small enough and affordable enough for the average home owner. By taking a laging power factor of lets say .65 and increasing it to .95 you could save 10-25% on your electric bill. Be careful though, some products make claims of power factor correction, however never correct enough to save you money.
You got my attentiion :^)
I had no idea that anyone was or would try to market these devices to homeowners. So little of the typical household load is reactive power. Major Appliances like water heaters, dryers, resistance heaters, iron, coffee pot, toaster, etc... have a pf of almost 1.0 A proper pool pump should run at .9 or better, A/C sucks at startup .2-.4 but should criuse at close to .9 as well.
Motors and fluorescent lamps usually have lagging power factors, while modern high efficiency power supplies generate leading factors. Of course motor pulls a lot more lagging than an iPod draws leadin...
I'd be curious as to who is pushing residential versions? I'm offering PF correction as an option on the big 500kW units... Since we operate our gensets 'synchronously' we could tune the unit to provide reactive power VAR, as opposed to VA or pure power. Of course we're really talking kVA & kVAR.
I'm glad that someone besides me is warning folks about 'placebos' or 'wishful thinking' devices, that are more about a quick sale than real results.
Again, these devices are common at industrial sites. If your 200 ton arc-melting furnaces are performing badly the utility will insist you clean up your power factor.
Hey everyone...thanks for all of the posts. I am going to shed some light on a big issue. The blown in insulation is a HUGE project, when I say HUGE, I mean every wall in my house has lathe and plaster that is in rough shape. We are unable to peal off the old wall paper because the plaster just collaspes behind it. There are also gaps between the lathe. We want to insulate the walls, but I am afraid on our size house that gutting the rooms walls, insulating with rolled insulation, and then installing sheetrock would have to be the route we took. We plan to do this, one room at a time, but this could take 2yrs or more with 3000sq ft.
We also live in a city dwelling, so things like masonary heaters, wood burning stoves, etc. are hard to wrap our minds around because we would have to ship in the wood. Not very self sustaining, and we are convicted by the thought of the cost of gas and the use of gas to ship the wood to us.. Being in the city, tapping into something free...solar, wind sounds more appealing. But again, how effiecient would it be if the house wasn't insulated. But wouldn't anything help a little?
This is our plan....before winter we are going to button up bad spots, and lay some insulation on the floor of the attic around the edges. Also, we are thinking about putting straw bails on the ground around the perimeter of the house.
So with that, I am still way open for any suggestions.
To whom it may concern,
Is this a "balloon" structure building? Walls built with studs that run through to the second story? Blowing cellulose into old wall cavities can be tricky. In the golden years of house construction, plastering the walls was par normal. Some plasterers were better than others. Some of the guys would shlep it on and on the other side of the lathe "interior" ridges of plaster would build up amounting to protuberances throughout the interior of the wall. When blowing insulation in these I have punched holes about three feet up on the wall and then another at the top of the cavity. Blowing the bottom hole full first, watching during the process to see if chunks of cellulose are coming out of the top hole. After the bottom hole is full, tap the wall . A couple of good thumps is sufficient then fill the top hole. A more unifrm fill will yield better insulating properties and no "cold spots".
A masonry heater may be an option for you guys if you are handy and can work it out w/ a local contractor for some kind of labor credit. Contrary to popular belief, masonry heaters, if built right are very efficient and if built to serve also act as a trombe wall. Examples can be seen at mha-net.org.
The gaps in the floor can be remedied from the underside with celotex installed between the floor joists. Celotex will refract the heat back into the living space while being covered by your wood floor.
As far as the cisterns are concerned, they would be better utilized as a storage space. Too much humidity caused by evaporation in your basement is going to cause you trouble in the future.
Ensure you insulate the attic space as well as giving the attic the ability to breathe. Plenty of soffit, gable or roof vents. This is essential, your attic should mirror the same conditions as the great out of doors.
Good luck with the Vicky, I've done a couple myself and there is a reward to be reaped when you finish.
Jeff,
My big kid has just set up plastic water barrels in his back yard. He asked me about spigots, but by the time I got over there he had fitted "Gardenia" hose fitting that shut off the drain until you plug in a hose. I had to give him full marks for that.
A bunch of barrels connected together would work just as well in a basement and fix the evaporation problem.

Amy and Bill, I used to live in Syracuse NY so I know it is hard to be comfortable in winter with below zero and winds. I had the insulation blown in my walls. I also added outside storm windows. Also be sure the attic has as much insulation as you can fit.
A passive solar tromb wall could be ok but we never had enough clear sunny days to make it work well. I stick with the added insulation and windows.
I wouldn't was to be on natural gas and have a fireplace in winter. The US hit peak NG in 2004 and we import a lot from Canada so it will go up even more. The fireplace is very poor for the environment and also sends air up the chimmny. It's a looser.
Long term I'd check geo thermal companies. Also the inflector window coveres used in Canada for over 20 years. I even have them on my home in Arizona. Maybe we can send you some extra heat and you send some cool air to us.
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Stone? Brick? Wood? If you have hollow walls you can have cellulose (recyled paper) blown in through 1 inch holes drilled from either inside or out, at top of each stud cavity - and fill up the attic.
Contractors who do this for a living buy the product for less than anyone else, and can often put it in for less than you can rent the blower machines yourself. They make their money on retailing the product. Most will allow you to do the prep - drill the holes and fit the vent extensions in the attic, and credit your contribution. You then have to plug the holes and ensure that you have a good coat of latex paint for a vapour barrier.
This should probably have been your first upgrade. If it cuts your heating bill in half, which I suspect it will, it will pay for itself PDQ.
Call in local insulation contractors and ask for quotations. Heat rises so it escapes from buildings proportional to the insulation levels indicated on national building codes. Most through the attic, less through the walls, less again through the basement.
If you can't afford anything else, lay insulation batts in the attic. The greatest return on investment with insulation is in the first inch installed, but a well insulated house can not be heated if you leave the door open. You lose most heat through the one part that has no insulation.
With high ceilings, it is easier to maintain livable temperatures by running the furnace fan continuously. It prevents stratification and averages the temperature in the rooms. This can be costly and irritating unless your fan can be run at slow speed. Two speed fans are usually 1/3 HP fast and 1/5 HP on slow. Choose a two speed if possible.
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As you can only imagine the energy loss we have. We are new to the "consciousness" of green, and are dedicated and determined. In the 2yrs we have owned the house we have removed 4 unnecessary windows and replaced the rest with the best energy efficient window (Comfort Windows Brand) throughout the entire house. The basement windows are glass block with little windows w/ screens in the center for ventaliation. The attic we have yet to do. We have also inserted an energy efficient gas insert into out 13" deep coal burning fireplace. We wanted wood burning, but the fireplace was so small. Ok, so those are the repairs that we could afford this year (the expense was about 20K for both). Our wood floors have no subfloor, can see into basement. We have NO insulation in the majority of the house. Our furnace is 200,000btu, it works well, but is 20yrs old. The roof, although ugly, has about 10yrs left. We have 10ft cielings down stairs and 8ft upstairs. We do NOT want to change muchof the integrity of the house. If we replace the furnace, what good is that without fixing the other problems. Also, we replaced the windows in December, and I called in February to see if we used less energy, and it was NOT a significant amount less...discouraging. Even the energy rep for National Grid said it was discouraging.
OUR MAJOR PROBLEM. Our natural gas/electric bill during Dec-Mar we pay between $700-$900 a month. (Our mortgage is $680...lol) That was LAST YEAR...costs are expected to rise by 40% for natural gas in our area. My husband is doing research on solar panels on the south side of the house. We have cisterns in the basement. He was thinking on solar heat, by filling the cisterns, and getting radiators to heat our house. But again, being NEW to the green way of living, we are unsure What we can do in our climate to reduce our heating costs. It appears to us that to really reduce our cost we must be self sustaining, not just find ways to cut our heating costs. My husband also thinks we need to shut off the upstairs, and live in the new fireplace room...ha ha ha...of course that is drastic. We are nervous we will not be able to live due to the rising cost of heat. It is very scary for us. If it was just the 2 of us we'd find way to keep warm but we have 5yr old twins boys.
ANY ADVISE WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED,...even advise on future green projects for us would be great, too. we are planning on renovating the entire house.
thanks Amy & Bill