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Magnetic Zero Point Systems
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
Dear qe3isgbt,
Your talent is being wasted. We need a good technical writer. Send an "e" mail address to projectathena.ca@gmail.com for a free copy of "serious reading material". This is a limited time offer.
Athena
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
Im wondering if it can be combined with the "takashige engine" concept. IE:
Working from the natural vacuum contained in the earth's atmosphere drawing plates against a substrate. I don't have my detailed notes about me now, but I thought the idea might spark thought in one of you readers. .
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
Mark,
You have to be aware that with grid connected systems many utilites still don't give real equal net-metering. Some don't even give anything unless you buy a speacial meter and then only avoided cost.
If we had a national net-metering policy it would really help. I can see why California with a very good statewide plan is the leader in the US. Germany with it's 8 times retail feed in tarrif is making history with the fastest wind and solar growth in the world.
the solar stacks
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
Ultraconductors do not have a direct connection to our generators. Connecting the nation's utilities with an UltraGrid represents another large market that can save hundreds of millions of barrels of oil.
They also can be used to improve later generations of generators.
The only reason toys are not yet available is the lack of adequate development funding. That has been true of all high tech companies that do not yet have revenues - since the dot.com crash.
It seems to be changing in our case. We expect major funding within a few weeks.
Mark
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
Mark,
Ultra conductors is a very interesting subject. Reading here I don't understand the connection to the subject of Magnetic Zero Point systems.
IE your comment / Our Ultraconductors are polymers that are equivalent to ambient temperature superconductors. They operate up to 390 degrees F. This is more than 500 degrees above the operating temperatures of ceramic superconductors.
I can't wait for your 2008 demo toys so we can see and learn about this idea. I'll be watching for any products you make available.
I found a good story on you from past EVworld articles from Feb 2004. Why no product yet ? Why no toys on a small scale ?
http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=648
the solar stacks
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
OK, OK I give up; I believe your desire to defraud is stronger than my will to enlighten.
You need to maintain the illusion that you believe in this thing.
You'll either fall off the face of the earth, or become world famous...
I give you credit for being a presistent marketing scammer. I particularly liked the Apple II in the computer lab video. I'm serious, you're recycling & reusing old trash for a new deception. That's gotta be worth something.
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
CT,
The RTS (then known as ROOTS) video is at least ten years old. We did not post it. Tim Ventura, who runs the American Antigravity site, apparently felt it ought to be widely available and put it on the web. The Apple II was superseded just after those clips were made.
Your desire is clearly not to enlighten, but to falsely accuse.
The fact that four SBIR contracts, including a highly competitive Phase II with the USAF, have been successfully concluded on our Ultraconductors, should tell anyone that you are actually fearful that competition may arise from our work that will bite into the potential of your own.
How very sad!
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
Mark,
"Your many errors suggest a lack of careful reading - or a desire to
deny the reality of new technology which does not support your vested
interest in solar concentrators."
What errors? Please...
To be correct, I don't have to deny the reality, you have to prove it. Please prove something... A patent isn't proof, it's a legal document. The scientific method is based on falsifiable assumptions. You make a claim, I challenge it. you either prove the claim or not. Uri Geller bent thousands of real metal spoons; James Randi foiled his attempts with a clean cotton handkerchief.
If you called the book Sci-fi it might be a great read. If you can deliver a single "over net" erg, then your name will certainly go down in history. It's easy to cobble up a magic trick to convince the ignorant that magic exists.
And yes, I do have a considerable interest in concentrating solar collectors.
Personally, I love the magic of Circ du Soleil, absolutely hypnotizing!
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
CT,
You stated we claim superconductors are a source of energy. We never have.
You confuse ceramic High Temperature Superconductors with Ultraconductors, they are entirely different.
Our Ultraconductors have been independently reproduced in several laboratories. Most recently by Fractal Systems for the USAF. They were also tested by the Air Force before granting us a Phase II SBIR Contract.
Our laboratories have delivered Over Unity ergs on many occasions since 2004. Those with a signed NDA and a reason to visit the labs have witnessed such demonstrations on several occasions.
During 2008, we intend to have independent laboratories perform their own evaluations.
Since we are not far away, one I will invite is the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory.
We also hope to have self-sustaining demonstration devices, toys and other products in the market, by the close of the coming year.
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
Hi Mark,
HTS (high temperature superconductor) is a wonderful technology, but you're touting is as a source of energy, which it is not.
While there are dozens of demonstrations that *appear* to violate conservation of energy, like the levitating magnets, they do not!
Back in '89 Fleischman & Pons were able to convince a lot of folks that cold fusion was the salvation of the planet... What they "discovered" was a forgotten characteristic of palladium metal known to refractory metallurgists for >100 years.
Keep working on RTS... you might come up with something. Just please don't sow the seeds of false hope. Hey maybe you can combine YBCO & CIGS into a super conducting thin film solar panel... Oh wait, we both already know why that won't work... But keep trying, if you wish for it hard enough it just might work.
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
CT,
We have never touted superconductivity as a source of energy.
High Temperature Superconductors are ceramic materials that require cryogenic cooling to roughly - 300 degrees F.
Our Ultraconductors are polymers that are equivalent to ambient temperature superconductors. They operate up to 390 degrees F. This is more than 500 degrees above the operating temperatures of ceramic superconductors.
Room Temperature Superconductors Inc., is a subsidiary of Magnetic Power Inc. It has completed four Small Business Innovation Research contracts on these remarkable materials.
RTS has three issued U.S. Patents and a pending application with 195 Claims that is presently being divided into ten smaller applications.
MPI's energy work is presently entirely separate and uses magnetic systems to convert Zero Point Energy.
Those interested might enjoy Tom Valones new book: Zero Point Energy - The Fuel of the Future.
Your many errors suggest a lack of careful reading - or a desire to deny the reality of new technology which does not support your vested interest in solar concentrators.
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
ctyankee,
Send me an e-mail at magneticpower@gmail.com
We normally use our own NDA, which I'll send you. If you prefer your own, there will be a delay while it goes to our lawyer for review.
I doubt the impact of magnetic systems will be immediate where solar is concerned as there is a good deal of market inertia.
But, these systems are inherently much simpler and far less complex than concentrator technollogy.
In the early stages of market penetration solar firms are likely to find they can play a profitable role. First, these systems can be afforded by those who cannot purchase solar due to cost. Second, many solar installers have grid interface experience. These systems will produce AC at line voltage and frequency directly, but experienced installers are likely to find they can expand their customer base.
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
Mark,
I've got an executed NDA here that I use as the discloser, I'm not going to post it because I can't and I've still not mentioned my company name.
Since you've stated that solar may no longer be competitive, I consider myself standing shoulder to shoulder with the skeptics.
My company is committed to the concentration & harnessing of concentrated solar flux (sunshine) by conversion to heat, mechanical, work, and finally electricity using proven technology.
If your statements are correct then my efforts are inconsequential to your ultimate success. So please provide a mechanism for disclosure, and I'll send you the NDA.
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
I'm with Mark. Show us something real and let us check it. My solar panels WORK, wind WORKS and they use magnets in wind generators but the wind does the WORKto produce motion that makes electricity flow. Do you WORK ?
I don't think a magnet WORKS with no input. Show us then talk as Ed Begely Jr says
the working solar stacks
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
I was previously Founder and CEO of SunWind Ltd. which created the
Windmobile, a freeway capable electric vehicle. It was the cover story
for Popular Science in November of 1976. The prototype could exceed the
legal limit powered by the wind.
However, it quickly became clear, back
in 1983, that most adults do not care to drive a car that looks more
like a jet airplane.
Magnetic Power, Inc. began the following year,
when the late Dr. Robert Forward, then a physicist at Hughes Aircraft,
published a paper in the refereed journal Physical Review B, suggesting
that Zero Point Energy (ZPE) could be tapped to provide electricity.
His work seemed to us to open a way to power cars that did not require
any modification in their appearance.
There are many deluded inventors
working with magnets. We have evaluated and dismissed a number of
examples of their work, as well as exposed the relatively small number
of scammers . However, as I believe everyone will discover before the end of 2008, magnets can be used to convert ZPE, a previously
uncommercialized source of power.
To the surprise of a legion of
skeptics, solar and wind energy may no longer be competitive. The systems
we are developing are anticipated to be highly cost-effective, as
compared with all existing source of electricity, including coal and
nuclear power.
Working examples are presently expected to be in the market by the close of 2008. Prototype demonstrations can be anticipated, with some luck, somewhat earlier.
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
Athena,
This work is still in development. However, we are discussing the possibility of licensees producing kits in the future.
This is entirely different than the Flynn work.
Automobile engines are a reasonable analogy. There are hundred of variations. The same will be true of magnetic Zero Point Energy conversion systems.
Several of those we are developing have no moving parts.
The website will provide additional information: magneticpowerinc.com
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
Dear ctyankee,
My present intention is to take a self-sustaining prototype to the nearby Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory during this coming year.
Toys are also in the works. No batteries required. We hope to supply licensees with self-sustaining pre-production prototypes later in 2008.
Incidently, five multi-billion dollar firms have signed NonDisclosure Agreements and are evaluating our work.
We do not believe anyone with scientific or engineering background will believe these systems are real, until they have had the opportunity to play with one themselves.
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
Mark,
Multi-billion dollar firms do not sign NDA's for nonsense. You can feel free to scan and post the signed NDA's that you claim to have, or did you sign an NDA not to disclose the fact you signed an NDA. See how silly it sounds?
You're correct with the last point:
"We do not believe anyone with scientific or engineering background will
believe these systems are real, until they have had the opportunity to
play with one themselves."
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
Firms that sign NDA's are rarely willing to have that fact publicized.
However, if you sign a NDA with us, I will reveal their names to you.
Skepticism is anticipated and welcome where this work is involved. If it were simple and obvious, there would be no controversy.
By the close of the coming year, I suspect it will be mainstream science.
See the March 1st, 2004, issue of Aviation Week and Space Technology for an article outlining how it has come in from the fringe for BAE, which admits it is striving for conversion of ZPE to power Mach 4 fighter planes; as well as DARPA, which states it is supporting ZPE propulsion research at an unnamed major American aerospace company.
Re: Magnetic Zero Point Systems
Oh boy. (sigh)
Dear MPI,
It saddens me when con artists use pseudo-scientific jargon to try to get others to buy the snake oil their peddling.
I would challenge you to supply a working prototype or a cobbled up example to either: a) Myth Busters b) Penn & Teller; for the thorough scientific critique it clearly deserves.
The only thing that was missing was the call to action... you know
[circus barker voice on]
"Hurry! Hurry! Step right up, be the first to see the amazing egress...."
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Magnetic energy conversion systems that prove practical are likely tapping the Zero Point Field (a
previously uncommercialized source of energy). Such devices are likely to replace batteries of every variety and are often wrongly dismissed
by scientists. Many remain unaware of the little recognized fact that a magnetic
gradient is an untapped source of potential energy.
A
magnetic gradient is surprisingly similar to the many other gradients that
provide us with energy. Think of gravity in hydroelectric systems; the pressure
gradient in water pipes; the voltage gradient in a wall socket and the thermal
gradient in heat pumps and many conventional power plants.
fields exhibit energy. They are in fact a potential source of energy. In that
respect, they are entirely analogous to electric fields. However, scientists
and others unfamiliar with the evidence, often dismiss this simple answer as unsatisfactory.
An
excellent place for skeptics to start is the classic text entitled: Physics of Magnetism, by Soshin
Chikazumi (Wiley, 1964). He mentions (p. 57) that “when the electron is
traveling around the nucleus, the electron sees the nucleus as if the nucleus is
traveling around the electron itself and feels the magnetic field”.
This next
question is where the spin of the proton originates. An article in Physics Today
(Sept. 1995, p.24) states that “quark spins appear to account for 20-30%”. Robert
Jaffe, a professor of physics at MIT, concludes that the Dirac sea of virtual
particle pairs is a strong candidate for the remainder. Based on experiment, Beck,
Koch and Davis have stated that ZPE is also present in solid state devices.
Therefore
we now know that the proton spins around the electron, affecting the magnetic
moment. In Lectures on Quantum Mechanics
(Benjamin-Cummings, 1969) Gordon Baym points out that the mass ratio m/M if the
electron vs. the nucleus is about 1/10,000 or smaller. Therefore, the electrons
move far more than the nuclei and the nucleus of the atom often exchanges
energy with the electron.
Miloni in
The Quantum Vacuum (Academic Press,
1964) states: “We now know that the vacuum field is in fact formally necessary
for the stability of atoms in quantum theory” (p. 81). In the space of these
few pages, Valone shows that every atom is deriving energy from the quantum vacuum,
another name for the Zero Point field.
In
quantum mechanics it is well known that the electron and the nucleus act as a
coupled system of oscillators. Thus, it can be concluded that ZPE is the
sustaining energy source for all energy states of the atom, including the
electron’s angular momentum. Since the macroscopic magnetic field of a
permanent magnet is totally attributed to this characteristic of the electron,
it can be said to be sustained by the quantum vacuum; the Zero Point Energy
field.
conclusion, as GENIE (Generating Electricity by Nondestructive Interference of Energy) and other magnetic motors and generators prepare to enter
the market, ZPE eliminates the mystery as to where the energy originates. These
magnet-powered devices cannot plausibly be mistaken for perpetuum mobiles.
*This
article has been adapted from a chapter in the book: Zero Point Energy: The Fuel of the
Future, by Thomas F. Valone,
entitled: “Is Permanent Magnetism Connected with Zero Point Energy?” (pp.
206-211). (Integrity Research Institute, 2007). The paperback is available
through Amazon.com.