BioDiesle vs. Prius....

Kona

I've been researching BioDiesel as an alternative to purchasing a Prius or other Hybrid Vehicle - I came accross this site: http://www.grist.org and a section called: "Ask Umbra" I think may out there will find this very interesting and worth considering when thinking about the environement, our pocket book and the politcal landscape:

"...Not only will biodiesel result in lower carbon-dioxide emissions than gasoline; it is also an alternative fuel, and supporting it sends an important message about prioritizing the environment. Hybrid cars deserve our support, but they rely on gasoline, the supply of which is rapidly dwindling and the extraction of which is wrapped up in nasty world politics and pollution.

I'm glad you have a Prius, but I completely support your switch to biodiesel, and also to straight vegetable oil from restaurant fryers. Fellow readers, to briefly review: Gasoline is petroleum-based. Biodiesel is chemically altered (transesterified) vegetable oil or animal tallow. SVO is new or filtered chemically unaltered veggie oil. Diesel engines can theoretically run on any vegetable oil. In an upcoming column, I'll go into how to run your diesel on SVO, but today we will focus on Marc's question: should we bother?

Marc, scientific data with which to evaluate your SVO fantasy are hard to come by -- particularly data comparing SVO to gasoline rather than to diesel. There just aren't the miles driven on pure SVO, or the audience for the technology, to have authoritative information yet. Running your car on SVO requires retrofitting the engine with additional tanks, hoses, and heaters, so a complicating factor for research is the wide variety of diesel cars and the wide variety of conversion methods. Not to mention comparing the burning of McDonald's fryer oil run through a coffee filter against the burning of tempura fry oil filtered to five microns.

But you can feel good knowing that vegetable-oil fuels are "biomass" fuels and are considered to have a "closed carbon cycle." That means that the carbon released during their burning is balanced by the carbon absorbed during their past lives as plants. We can think of the soy and rapeseed that made the oil as the housemaids, cleaning up the mess made by our personal automobile. Phew. In the future, we may get a specific lifecycle analysis of this fuel, but at this point, given the reading I could find, I feel confident encouraging SVO, a non-petroleum, closed-carbon-cycle alternative fuel.

Down at the Environmental Defense Tailpipe Tally, your 2002 Prius, driven 12,500 miles in a year, will produce 4,990 pounds of carbon dioxide, 135 pounds of carbon monoxide, and 9.4 pounds of nitrogen oxides. In the closed-carbon-cycle competition, the Prius is shut out: fossil fuel sequesters carbon for eons and is created equally slowly, so we cannot depend on crude oil to clean up our carbon mess. If the closed cycle is like having a housemaid, the fossil-fuel cycle is like never cleaning and just waiting for the house to decompose. Which, I guess, is what we've been doing since the Industrial Revolution..."

I want to give credit to the site and Umbra for the valuable info and believe it is worth sharing here.

Aloha!

Kona



ctyankee
Re: BioDiesle vs. Prius....

Seems to me that a Plugin-Diesel-Hybrid would not only be doable but practical too... even here in the northeast... once some of the challenges are carefully examined.

The vehicle would run as a plugin hybrid until the heat from braking warms the diesel engine up to reasonable temperatures... Batteries would cycle a little deeper, but the overall benefit might make up for the extra hassles of cold oil in a cold climate.

Just my $0.02... 



rawmarcos
Re: BioDiesle vs. Prius....
I tell you what gets me pumped. Well, Lovecraft in Los Angeles. They have completely rethought the whole idea of diesel and built a better mouse house. Yes, your diesel car  can run on pure veggie oil. No nasty, toxic fumes are necessary. Best part is that they can do conversions on just about any car but specialize in mercedes benz and vw's. They even have a small auto lot with lovecraft cars for sale. This is where my next car is coming from until I can get my 100% electric suv from phoenix motorcars.
Marcos


mdboggs
Re: BioDiesel vs. Prius....

Diesel hybrids are in the works and will be in production very soon. Biodiesel is, to my mind, the only present clear and acceptable alternative to gasoline and/or petroleum-derivative diesel fuel. Prius as an electric is fine, but until it can be powered with biodiesel fuel in its non-electric mode, I'll stick to biodiesel. The other interesting alternative is in the development of all-electric vehicles, a la Tesla Motors, for example, which is about to bring out its four-door electric, based on its very successful, but expensive, sports vehicle.



Hayden
Re: BioDiesel vs. Prius....

That is very interesting and I agree with you on the Gas vs BioD.  BioD is, as I've ready, Carbon Neutral and therefore a huge benfit even if it is not as "effiecient" as the Prius.  A Prius still ads to greenhouse gases - BioD does not.  When they make a Diesel Hybrid - then there will be no debate but until then - I like the BioD option better...

 Thanks!

Hayden



jstack6
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Re: BioDiesle vs. Prius....

until a bio-diesel can stop and not idel at a traffic light or stop they won't be a winner.
Until a bio-diesel can regenerate to save brake energy and dust they won't change th3e world.
Until bio-diesel becomes more available and affordable they won't save consumers money or be any good for a long trip.

A bio-diesel is good but could have a bigger role and better future if it could be used with a plug-in vehicle. The converted plug-in prius can get well over 100+ mpg and even take some trips with no gas.

It takes a lot of energy to grow products like soy and peanuts etc to produce bio-diesel. Most farm practices use oil derived gas. A few may make and run on bio-diesel. But the fertilizers are all oil based. It adds up to better but again not great.

Combining both cleaner alternate fule and plug-ins is the best answer. Until then a simple hybrid is very good. The full hybrid Prius is amazing, the plug-in bio-fuled hybrid is the best we will have for years.

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