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Water H2O not needed for Solar
Re: Water H2O not needed for Solar
"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice" -- Rush
The billion + folks have chosen not to worry about clean water. The water they have is apparently "good enough". If it was not they'd take steps to improve the situation...
The AZ aquifer is dropping because Phoenix has been transformed over the past 30-40 years, by the influx of "foreigners" -- New Englanders, Mid Westerners, Washingtonians, all seeking escape from the cold & damp.
The big aquifer under the grain belt (whoops), is being exploited so we can donate food to feed those poor SOB's around the world (above) that don't have the clean water...
The 12 GPM is certainly a waste... I have no sympathy for a guy who runs his well dry in 10 years because he's stupid. 12 GPM is not going to affect an aquifer unless everybody starts doing it...
The toxic accumulation issue is where I'm gonna disagree with you. The sediments at the bottom of waterways that were polluted in the past are now sequestered. LEAVE THEM ALONE! The EPA beat up GE recently to dig up the problem in upstate NY... the problem had remedied itself. The action did far more damage than doing nothing would have done.
I live on Long Island Sound. When I was little we went to the beach... the water wasn't that clean and we stopped going. By the late 70's it was dismal, we used to go hunting the sludge monster... (think "the Python boys") It finally peaked when the hypoxia events were killing off the fish & lobster.
There were a lot of potential sources of blame, and when the sources of pollution were identified the water cleaned up relatively quickly. Today the sound is pretty good the Hg warnings on bluefish have been lifted, and other game fish & food fish have returned.
The garbage at the bottom is still there... but it's covered. Digging it up to re-dump & re-bury it would be stupid on a colossal scale. But our legislators are trying!?
My point is that trying to undo mistakes of the past is counter productive. Stopping the mistakes that are happening now, shows immediate environmental benefits, and the challenges can spur new innovation. But what was done was done. Leave it alone if it's not bothering anyone anymore.
As for the lake PCB's, those are in the water. There's nothing that dredging can do *except* put more of them in the lakes. There are 2 options; wash the lakes, or accept the problem. If it was me drawing domestic water from the contaminated source, I'd _choose_ to have a reverse osmosis unit or at least an activated carbon filter, on my drinking water faucet.
If I located a point of continuing contamination, there are methods of sequestering the pollution that are far more effective and cheaper than some of the nonsense they're doing now! "Plasma Arc Thermal Decomposition" sounds really neat... In reality, it's really just pork-barrel spending!
So that's why I keep a little poison near my inkwell. I'm all for cleaning up our collective acts, going forward! Undoing the past, is far more problematic.
Re: Water H2O not needed for Solar
jstack
Why did you ommit the scary stuff on water?
Already a billion people do not have clean drinking water. By 2025 2/3 of the world will be short because of pop increase and poor management. The groundwater level in Arizona is dropping one meter each year.
Geothermal heating systems often pump 12 gallons a minute out of the water table extract the heat and dump it into the drains.
AND the real scary part is the toxic build up. We are unable to remove a lot of the chemicals we dump down the drains so we pollute the entire world. The Chinese have killed 80% of their rivers by dumping raw sewage into them and the effluent from these rivers is creating large dead zones in the oceans, some as large as 70,000 square kilometers, where nothing can live.
We are no better. The sludge in the bottom of the great lakes is polluted with PCBs which will be there forever. It shows in every water sample.
Re: Water H2O not needed for Solar
Come on CT, Nano was touting an efficient waste of energy. And you guys had to step in and spoil it. By the way what is jstack fishing for anyway? The secrets of the Universe, the meaning of life?..... Forgot, Monty Python took care of that one.
jstack, you know as well as anyone we are on the ground floor, when it concerns sustainable energy and policy. I do fully realize that water quality is being diminished everyday, Rachel Carson expressed herself long ago and we are still cleaning up that mess. I hope to see a transition to environmentally safe, ecologically compatible energy generation before I die. If I do I would be thrilled to death. There is nothing that pains me more than seeing Ma Earth spittin' up blood because of her childrens actions.
CTY are you one of them watcha call its?..........Revolutionarys? My mom told me to stay away from the likes of you, nothin' but rabble rousers!
Re: Water H2O not needed for Solar
Whether you use radio frequency energy to release hydrogen/oxygen from water (the salt just allows electrons to move between atoms) or direct current which causes oxygen to be released from one electrode and hydrogen from the other, the problem is the same.
Energy in = Energy out. You still need the primary energy source.
Re: Water H2O not needed for Solar
I'm glad you said it!
I looked at his website. Just like Mark, another whack-job. You can see that his ambition fizzled out after the one post.
The funny thing is that jstack6 has proved that he's more energy efficient than I am... keep reading.
See he used conservation of effort to allow the parasite to simply wither and die...
Whereas I directed & expended vast quantities of mechanical energy, chemicals & radiation, to defeat my opponent. lol 
Perhaps someday I'll learn... ... ... But what fun would that be? 
"POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!"
Re: Water H2O not needed for Solar
We'll even do you one better. Our concentrating solar-thermal-electric generators can include provisions for controlling, or even collecting rain water runoff from the panels.
Granted on a rooftop install it's mostly a moot point, but for ground mounted or parking lot shading installations, there's some merit there. Being part of the solution is nicer than being part of the problem!
Re: Water H2O not needed for Solar
I've seen the video on saltwater that becomes fuel. It sounds interesting and maybe too good to be true. It looks very promising.
I'd like to see some examples of it in operation instead of a flame in a lab. Here in the desert it could be hard just to get enough salt water.
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Re: Water H2O not needed for Solar
Interesting,
A perfect example why we need to look at salt water conversion to hydrogen as was recently demonstrated on news reports in PA. A cancer researcher discovered this by accident working with radio wave frequency modulation which converts salt water to a viable fuel, it burns at 1500 degrees, so think about the possibilities, especially as gas prices are rising almost daily and barrel of oil over $75.00.
Everyone should watch this video to see the future of hydrogen alternative energy. Combined with one solar panel, we have been able to power a home with hydrogen conversion, so this is indeed a breakthrough in alternative energy industry. Solar and Hydrogen are the answers in our research.
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One of the most basic needs is water. Here are some basic facts.
Did you know that only 1% of the earth's water is drinkable?
The average person uses about 100 gallons of water each day .
It takes: 25 gallons of water to make one ear of corn
1300 gallons of water for one hamburger
2607 gallons of water for one pound of beef
815 gallons of water for one pound of chicken
65 gallons of water for a gallon of milk
100 gallons of water for a watermelon
120 gallons of water for one egg
1000 gallons of water for a two pound loaf of bread
80 gallons of water to make one Sunday newspaper
1800 gallons of water to make a pair of cotton jeans
100,000 gallons of water to make a new car
Electric power plants are the largest consumers of Great Lakes water.
Thermal power plants impose two major stresses on the water system. First, they consume vast quantities of water in order to make steam and to cool the equipment, resulting in the deaths of millions of Great Lakes fish. Second, they return heated water to lakes and rivers, placing stress on the aquatic life.
The water use by power plants is staggering in scope. U.S. electric generators take nearly 100 trillion gallons of water annually from the nation’s rivers, lakes, oceans, and estuaries. Some large power plants use almost 2 billion gallons daily. A single coal-fired plant in Wisconsin reportedly will use more water than the entire state of Illinois.
With the importance of water how can we keep doing this ? Renewable Energy like Solar and Wind don't use any water !
What do you think we should be using for electric production ?
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